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than having a super sports car because this one really does fly. so. >> but is it safe? he says it is. the flying car can travel at a speed of about 115 miles an hour, similar to a small plane. >> the transition is kind of a symbol of what we can accomplish and that these things are totally technically achievable. >> pretty darn neat. thanks for watching. thanks for watching. anderson cooper starts now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com erin thanks. we're live in washington d.c. where among some there is a sigh of relief because a crisis is averted by the people that created it. federal employees got back to work today after the senate and house passed a bill to reopen the government and extend the debt ceiling a bill president obama signed overnight. we wanted to be here again
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tonight to take a breath and ask what you are wondering. what is the coast of 16-day shut down that slam into a debt crisis like a political form fueled by maybe a lot of hot air. the cost of people they elected get things done. the real cost of death benefits of people of military personnel in military action or clinical cancer patients. the real cost that can also be measure in concrete terms to the hit to the american economy. $24 billion, $24 billion in 16 days. today the president praised democrats and quote responsible republicans for getting together to get the job done, but he also called it a self-inflicted crisis with ramifications for the country and otherwise. >> the same folks that pushed for the shutdown and threatened default, claim their actions were needed to get america back on the right track. to make sure we're strong, but
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probably nothing has done more damage to america's credibility in the world, our standing with other countries than the spectacle that we've seen these past several weeks. it's encouraged our enemieenemi. it's enbolded competitors and depressed our friends who look to us for steady leadership. >> chief congressional correspondent dana bash is following the machinations of the showdown. she's trying to figure what she's done the last 16 days of her life. >> i have no answer for that. >> what is everybody doing? >> picking up the pieces. you can see republicans licking their wounds, admitting it, particularly the republicans that didn't want to go down this path to begin with. mitch mcconnell, the republican leader in the senate that had to cut the last-minute deal with harry reid said in an interview today he's not going to let this
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government shut down again. >> he says it will not happen again? >> it will not happen again. he has the power to prevent that. he didn't do that before. it took three and a half weeks to say enough already. he might have problems because you have ted cruz and him telling me earlier tonight he's not ruling anything out. so you tice see the same fight when we get to the next deadline january 15th but a lot for resolve by republican leaders they won't let this happen again. >> negotiations go on from now until then but what's to say that there will be any outcome from these negotiations that haven't occurred -- you know, they haven't been able to do it in the past? >> the difference is they have this singe on them. i talked to members of the caucus today that firmly believe there are enough even of those two dozen, what gloria borger likes to call the hell no caucus that get it now more than
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before. a dynamic is over 50% of house republicans have only been here for two and a half years or less. so that combined with the fact they feel that they really have a mandate or had a mandate to push their principles, made them not listen john boehner and people that had been here before. now, i will say now the feeling is they will listen and many regret doing this because they know at the end of the day it buried their lead, which is obama care and hurt their brand. >> we'll talk to tea party supporters, see if he agrees with that. dana bash, thanks. breanna joining me. does the white house feel this was a victory for them because a lot of folks on capitol hill saw the president's comments being arrogant today. >> i think as far as washington score counting, they realized this was a victory for president obama, but about his comments not being well received by republicans, anderson, you know,
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i think the message coming from president obama was his hardball tactics are here to stay for sure and you have to look in 2011 he tried in earntist to negotiate with house republicans and didn't go well for him. this time he didn't and faired a lot better. so i think now you have white house officials who certainly think perhaps some of these republicans may be tempted to use the same strategy they are really banking on the fact some republicans that you just heard dana talk about are going, certainly, to be more concerned about the national brand of republicans and how it is fairing with independent voters and the white house is really banking on the fact that they will prevail, president obama is. >> interesting, you have ted cruz as dana was saying another shut down is not off the table and mitch mcconnell says it is and the white house says they won't do this again. is there any way for the white house to stop it? >> well, i think they actually feel like this whole process, the president taking this position is a way that they have certainly discouraged it, and
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what you just heard dana reporting, i think the white house would point to that and say that their strategy this time may have worked. what may have pushed the ball and it may meanwhile certainly you have republicans who i think white house officials acknowledge, they may be tempted to take this strategy again because they are afraid of being primaried to the right, and certainly, i think the white house admits maybe after the next midterm elections when republicans start to moderate or we expect they will ahead of the presidential election, the president may have more luck with the agenda then, but i think right now what they are saying is hey, republicans know how this all went down. the closer you get to an election, this will play out even more negatively for them? right. >> do they really want to repeat this? >> appreciate the reporting. joining me now is paul, gloria borger and the president and ceo of freedom works, a conservative group that urged lawmakers not to vote for a deal.
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dana was saying some of the so-called hell no caucus or house republicans took away the lesson that okay, we won't do this again. is that the message you got from this? because my sense is there are a lot of tea party folks think the problem is republicans who didn't stand with the hell no caucus and keep united at front. >> that was definitely the problem. republicans shooting at each other and hoping democrats with their message instead of focussing on obama care, with that being said, the tactic doesn't work if the republican party is divided. i think we shift our conversation now onto the implantation of obama care, not just the train wreck that's the website but the real numbers and problems that people are going to be facing between now and next year and focussing on those red state democrats that are going to be feeling the heat as this thing doesn't function properly. >> is it a mistake for mitch mcconnell to say a shutdown is off the table? should a shutdown be off the table? >> it's a bad negotiating tactic
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to say we're not going to negotiate because that's how we lost this one. i think the question is all about health care now. >> i think the president is going to keep dividing the republican party. i mean, you know -- >> he's good at that. >> he's very good at that and the republicans manage dividing -- have you ever seen a unanimous vote in the house of representatives among democrats? no. don't you think he'll do it on immigration reform. >> you think he'll bring up immigration reform -- >> i do. oh, i do. >> if you want devie sieve, bring back gun control, hugely popular with americans, not with republicans, minimum wage. immigration has a lot of republican support while the original sponsor of it was john mccain who ran against president obama. >> so you think immigration? >> yeah, republicans like
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farmers, rush limbaugh eats more than a third world country. i think immigration and agriculture could be the confidence building measures. there are plenty of republicans that support those bills. >> business, which very often supports republicans is very much in favor of immigration reform. the president can drive a wedge there and the business community is going to sort of have to decide who it sides with, who it supports, who it funds. >> what about obama care? as far as the president is concerned, that certainly off the table in negotiations right now except for minor things here or there. >> right, and i think that's been resolved by this matt makes a point one of the house cost the republicans have paid is taking all of our cameras off of the really inexcusable mistakes in this rollout. they will come back though, now. hopefully they are getting their act together. i think she's being called to testify at the house and i think she's resisting. she has to testify and stand up
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and say here is what we did wrong, and here is how we're fixing it. that's her job. >> this administration is not up front with the problems of rollout to say the least. >> no, not at all. >> they clearly have numbers about people signing up and say they won't release them. >> they didn't want to talk about the health care plan ordeal laying the employer mandate or imposing the individual mandate. check out the house vote on the mandate. they picked up 30 plus democrats on that. that's the dividing issue and i think you'll see a number of democratic senators looking for some cover on that issue. >> i think -- >> uniting issues. we need web issues, not wedge. i think a farm bill and immigration bill you could actually pick up democrats and republicans. that's what we need. >> the numbers the white house wants to put out are the numbers -- as they would say of the millions of people who actually want health care reform and then they can say or just health care and then they can say we had so many more people
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looking at this than we thought and that shows you that there is a great demand for it out there, even though they missed up. >> in terms of negotiations, i mean, why is anything going to be different in these negotiations? i mean, matt's point yesterday was spending, debt and deficit, these are huge issues for an awful lot of people in this country. is there actually movement to be made? i know you say immigration is an issue. >> certainly better than what we went through, i think. there is a lot of probusiness republicans and libertarian republicans for immigration reform but we have -- i think before you get to those horrible issues of raising taxes and cutting health care spending for seniors which is really what we're talking about when you talk about long-term big deals, we talked last night. i hate these, i think the white house wants to find ways that they can reach out, at least to some republicans, and they think the farm bill and immigration bill are the way to do it. >> but paul ryan is one of the budget negotiators and he voted
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against this and maybe it's because he wants to be able to talk to tea party folks, but maybe it's also because he's positioning for 2016 and that could be a problem in these negotiations. >> now that it's a day past -- as you look back on this and woke up today, do you still believe something was accomplished in all of this? >> oh, yeah, i think once obama care becomes real and people see the sticker shock and what happens, they will look back, the republicans these are the guys that tried to stop this before it happened. i absolutely think there is a value differentiating between. there is a price to be paid when you sort of stand before a train and say we shouldn't fund something that's not working and that's what ted cruz and mike lee paid that price, but moving forward, you're going to see a number of democrats looking for cover on this issue and nobody can avoid it. the price tag is going to be in front of them. one of the reasons why the website doesn't function is they
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don't want to show folks the price before they sign up and before the subsides take effect. i think this system doesn't work. >> paul, are you more confident that when people actually see it working or start to get health insurance for their preexisting conditions, they will actually support it more? >> there is research on this. stan greenburg did a poll for women eeps voices, women's votes and found people that experience a system opposite of what matt is saying. the glitches are horrible and i can't excuse them and shouldn't spin their way out of them. when their mom gets a free mammogram under medicare or their donut hole shrinks to carry their college-aged kid. this is a reason support went up during shut down even though the rollout was bad. when they learn specifics, they say hey, that's good for me. >> that's interesting. the glitches are not to be excused, but what i hear from people over and over again when they go on the website the one
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question they are not asked is do you have a preexisting condition and that's liberating for people when you talk about health insurance and the white house thinks that will save the day. >> two different views when people see this and we'll see what happens. gloria, paul, matt, appreciate it. let me know what you think. follow me on twitter. as we mentioned, a lot of people put the blame on the shut down squarely on the shoulders of one man, senator ted cruz of texas. is he on a mid guided mission that damaged the republican party as some believe or will he emerge even stronger as a leader. also tonight, the bill wasn't just a deal there was other stuff as well. more than $2 billion for a river dam construction project, for instance. we'll take a look at the fine print when we continue. i save time, money,st, and i avoid frustration. you'll find reviews on home repair to healthcare,
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well, the ink is barely dry on the bill that reopened the government and already as we reported ted cruz said he's not ruling out in the shut down. the republican is taking a big share of the blame or the credit, depending how you see it on what has been happening in washington for the last several weeks. but what has been one of the more interesting things to watch is how senator cruz talked about the shut down kind of like he had nothing to do with it. >> i don't think we should have a government shutdown. >> why is the federal government spending money to erect barricades to keep veterans out of this memorial? >> harry reid and president obama want a shutdown. >> why did the federal
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government spend money to erect barricades to keep people out of mount rush more? >> i don't think we should be in a shut down. throughout the course of it i said we should not shut down the government. >> our veterans should be above politics. enough games. >> enough games he says. another common refrain by the senators is he's only doing what constituents in texas really want. a little bit ago i went to the source and talked to texans about it, tom delay and co-founder of no labels and senior advisor to george w. bush. >> from your vantage point, what did ted cruz actually accomplish? >> what he accomplished is bringing together people from all over the united states and he led and showed his leadership and organizing all those people is a huge accomplishment,
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particularly since the conservatives have been crying out for leadership for many, many years and he filled that void. >> but, i mean, he signed up some, you know, a lot of people critics of his will say look, that's fun -- potential fundraising pool for him, so they understand what he got out of that but led them to where? actually came out of all this? >> well, don't be so scenical. there is a movement out here in the real world, anderson, people are desperate to stop this run away federal spending. they are desperate to get rid of obama care. they are desperate for solutions to the country's problems and he has provided all of that for the american people. unfortunately, because of the fight, the american people are taking it in the shorts. >> mark, you're from texas, as well. is that how you see it? did ted cr accomplish something?
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>> i disagree with everything. i think the only thing he accomplished was gaining more supporters and fund raising himself and did a lot of harm for the republican party. i think he basically burned down the reputation of the republican party and stood -- and is standing on the ashes to stand talling for himself personally. >> i gus guess, mark your answer and strategy would be to surrender first. give me your plan. how would you have done it any other way and still make your point and try to bring the president to the table. >> sure. i think it's -- >> give me your plan. surrenderer first? >> i think it's surrenderer congressman. >> surrenderer is your plan? wow. >> we knew ahead of time we were losing the battle. >> one at a time -- [ overlapping speakers ] >> congressman, you asked mark for his plan so let mark say his plan. >> okay. give me your plan. >> we could have gone and talked about testing medicare and
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change cpi and entitlement cuts. >> wow. >> budget issues which is what republicans are supposed to talk about. >> and man -- >> and obama care which has been decided and has 54 solid votes in the senate -- >> are you kidding? >> that's surrender. >> your surrender because that will really get obama's attention and harry reid's attention and force them to the table. >> well, those are things they already agreed to congressman. >> i'm just very glad -- i'm just very glad the revolutionaries in 1776 didn't take up your plan because if they thought they would lose and therefore not get into the battle, then we wouldn't be here today. that is a loser's plan. >> so you say shut down the government again, let's do it all again but this time just stick to it? >> if that's what it takes to stand on principle and win, yes. absolutely. >> mark, does that make any sense to you? >> i see it as clawing your way to the bottom. i don't think it makes any sense at all --
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>> well, mark -- >> i think we should adopt a different approach. >> yeah. well, mark, i hate to tell you that but may way won for 12 years. we did some pretty amazing things with five margins fighting against really all odds but we won. our way we lose all the time. >> but congressman, it does sound like you're painting what just occurred here as a victory. i mean, do a lot of people you talk to see it that way? >> i don't see it as a victory. i see it as a great fight, and finally, we've got some people that are standing up and filling the voids in leadership. >> and to you ted cruz -- >> that's what people are crying for. >> and to you ted cruz is a major leader to the republican party? >> absolutely. i was at a meeting last night people were singing his praises and carrying him on his shoulders when he gets back to texas, i guarantee you.
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>> sounds like "the houston chronicle" endorsed him doesn't seem to like him anymore. >> well, "the houston chronicle" is a liberal rag. come on, please. >> do you see ted cruz as having a big feature here? >> i think he'll probably represent texas for a long time. he has a lot of support in the texas re pub can primaries but not broad support. that's where the republican party needs to go, needs much broader support. >> mark, you need to come home. you need to come home. you have in clue. the entire texas delegation voted against the deal last night. the people here in the texas are extremely proud of him. they are proud of the fight that they put up, and you -- mark, i love you, brother, but you need to come home. >> well i'm spending a lot of time at home and talk to the same people and i real liz, congressman, it's one thing to
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start a fire and another to put it out and if we want to break washington more, stay on the same track and if we want to change, adopt a new strategy. >> come up with one that wins. >> i'll -- >> when you come up with one that wins, i'll be with you. >> we have 87 members of congress that joined who realize we have to work together and not draw lines in the sand -- >> wow, that's impressive. that's impressive. >> gentlemen, thank you. >> kick it hard. >> thank you. there you go. just ahead, what paid it into the shut down bill that had nothing to do with the shutdown itself and your tax dollars are paying for it. nsa leaker edward snowden gives the first extensive interview from russia and talks about what he did with the classified documents. i was made to work.
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well, the bill that reopened the government today and raised the debt ceiling is 35 pages long. it will keep the government running until january 15, the new deadline is february 7th. those are the bill's key features there is more, some surprising auditions some folks might have missed. call them ear parks or extras, part of deal not clear. jake tapper tonight keeping them honest. >> reporter: great news, panda cam is back. more importantly, the federal government is open for business, but in order to get that compromise bill done, there were, of course, some shoe horned extras. some conservatives cried pork
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after a 2 billion-dollarizati autozigs for the dam and lock bill. >> we're here on the homestead lock and dam project. >> reporter: it will pay for this project on the ohio river. a political action committee dubbed it the kentucky kick back blaming addition on kentucky's own senate minority leader mitch mcconnell. >> i'm excited to get a first-hand briefing of the project that we've been providing funds for. >> reporter: here he is on a visit in 2009 but this morning he fired back at critics on wvlk radio. >> there was no earmark. the army corps of engineers required that and the house and senate passed an authorization for it. every single member of the senate had a chance to review it and none asked for it to be taken out. >> reporter: the negotiating counter parts, harry reid agreed
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last night. >> this is not an earmark. it saves the money the taxpayers lots of money. >> reporter: it turns out officials say stopping and restarting the project would cost over $200 million if the authorization didn't go through oh, and president obama had the same provision to continue the project in his 2014 budget. >> rather than talking about shutting down the government, it's time to talk about shutting down the waste. >> reporter: he's with scitizen against waste. >> it opens the door for similar projects in the next c.r. this tripled in cost. it's behind schedule and if regular order prevailed, it's unclear whether that would have been funded at all in the normal appropriations bill. >> reporter: other auditions to the bill to reopen the government include $175,000, which will be paid to the widow of senator frank. it's standard practice but might
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be worth noting he was one of the wealthiest members of congress. roll call reported he was worth more than $50 million in 2011 and finally, he's call this one the edward snow den effect. the privacy and civil remembererties oversight board will get $3.1 million. there are white house oversight groups set up to guard american's rights to privacy with over reach. >> jake, what is senator mcconnell saying? >> he said this isn't an earmark and to had the funds in the budget and passed it and his office says he's not the one that put it into the bill, that it was senator lamar alexander of tennessee and diane finestein of california. that said, this is washington d.c. and when seb negotiate as major deal and happens to end up
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with billions of dollars for a dam in his state, as president clinton once said, if i see a snail on a fence post, it didn't get there by itself. >> what are other lawmakers saying? >> the people that are really anti-pork like john mccain are upset this didn't go through the normal process. most republicans are saying because they understand this is probably important to mitch mcconnell who is facing a tough reelection fight, possibly are saying well, i wish it had gone through the normal process but they are not specifically criticizing the actual dam or the actual project. >> all right. jake tapper, thanks, jake. >> thanks and ersonanderson. >> let's get caught up, isha. new york city police are on a desperate search for a missing autistic teenager. the 14-year-old vanished after running out of school two weeks ago. his mother's voice is being
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played on police call loud speakers and asking him to reach out to police. a man armed with a nice hijacked a school bus this morning. 11 elementary school children were on board and police chased the bus for ten miles. they were able to stop it and arrest 22-year-old nickelous john miller. the three women victims of ariel castro may each receive compensation from their higher state government. a bill in the state legislature would give them up to $25,000 for each year they were held captive. anderson, look at this, yearly 100 brush fires are burning in australia. one man died trying to defend his homes. hundreds of homes are in danger and conditions are said to be hot and dry, a very, very difficult situation, anderson. >> incredible pictures. up next, breaking news, nsa leaker edward snowden gives the first extensive interview. did the documents he took end up
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welcome back. there is breaking news tonight about edward snowden, the former computer contractor who leased
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classified documents releasing government surveillance programs. snowden insists he did not take any of those documents with him to russia where he's been granted asylum for one year. he also tells the times he gave documents to journalist while he met in hong kong, his first stop after leaving the united states ask did not keep any documents there by assuring russian intelligence agents couldn't get their hands on them. he said the chinese intelligence didn't get ahold of them either and he was familiar with them because he targeted those operations as an nsa contractor. he gave some documents to glenn greenwald and he joins us tonight. glen, it's fascinating interview. snowden is saying he gave you and other colleagues, laura and others all of the classified documents. to your knowledge, is that true? >> he's been saying for quite a long time now that he never gave
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any documents of any kind to the chinese or russians and knowing as he did, the cape abilities ty had because he was trained at the nsa that it was impossible for them to get any. whether he took any to russia, i can't say for certain but i know for certain his intention was to undermine the ability of states to engage in mass surveillance, not to help states do so by giving documents to other governments. so it's certainly credible there is zero evidence he gave any documents of let any of those documents out of his control despite the people in the media to assert it. >> a lot of people have been saying that to your point and in this interview he says there is a zero percent chance that the chinese were able to break into his computer get any documents because of his knowledge. are you as confident as he is that that's the case? >> i am. remember, i spent the last four and a half months reading
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through many, many top secret nsa documents, some of which discuss what their abouts are with regard to breaking through enkripgs processes and what their inabilities are. he's certainly one of the more credible people to talk about that because, as i said, he was a highly sophisticated cyber operative trained how to penetrate the defenses of china and other countries like russia and so he's fully aware of what defensive measures you can take to prevent hacking by those countries and he's aware of what works and what does not and i know i saw his methods extremely attentive to make sure he protect that material using all the advanced forms available. >> as you've said, you've been spending months reading through the documents. what percentage of these documents have you been able to actually reveal so far? i mean, how much more information is there out there that will make headlines thanks will surprise people? >> you know, genuinely a small
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percentage. i've been saying from the beginning when i'm asked that question, the same thing, that there is still a lot of stories to come in many, many countries around the world including the united states and it's always been true and still is true. these documents are very complicated. you have to piece them together. a lot of them take reporting. so the process isn't fast. when wikileaks got theirs, it took them almost ten months to begin publishing the first one because you have to go through them and vet them and understand them but there are genuinely significant stories, ones that i think will surprise people. i think people know the nsa is trying to collect everything and so it's sort of hard to generate shock, that's not our goal. our goal is to inform people of things they don't know and there is definitely a lot of that still coming. >> i want to ask about the major changes in leadership at the nsa over the next six months. chief alexander stepping down as a top aid. how much do you think is that
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the result of the snowden leaks? >> you know, whenever there is a major scandal in washington and then the top officials implicated leave, they never say, the government does, that they are leaving because of that so it's impossible to know. usually the phrase is they are leaving to spend more time with their families. there was someone on twitter saying general alexander was leaving to spend less time with your family there is a connection he's viewed as one of the most powerful military officials in the world. he really set the nsa in the image. the phrase is collect it all and pioneered during the iraq war and will have a major impact on this agency and clearly one can infer it's not just him but his didn'ty and there is movement to the reform of the nsa and their departure. >> lastly, i know there is probably a lot you can't say you're leaving "the guardian"
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sounds like a huge new venture. what can you say? >> it's extremely exciting, and the idea behind it is that there are a lot of things we think aren't being done the right way when it comes to aggressive adversary journalism that we want to do. we want to create a major network that supports independent journalists, ones that don't run to the government and write up down and pass it along and call that reporting but want to dig and subject to critical scrutiny, what they are doing in the dark to inform the public and needs a substantial support institution of researchers and technology and security and lawyers and reporters to do that and that's what this new venture is designed to create. it's very exciting for me individually and i think for journalism generally. >> glen, congratulations on that and we look forward to hearing more about it. thanks very much. >> thanks. next, how did two convicted
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the same facility but mistakenly freed about ten days apart. that's right, they were mistakenly let go. how does that happen and how do the families of the victims feel? john has the story. >> reporter: rosco pew was third was only 9 years old seeing his dad gunned down. >> all eyes would be totally different. i said that since i was nine years old, i said my life would have been different if i wouldn't have saw it. i saw it. >> reporter: now 15 years later, rosco is reliving the nightmare. on september 27th, jenkins serving life for the murder of his dad was mistakenly released from a prison from franklin county in the panhandle. for his mom it's impossible to comprehend. >> seems like my whole world came down on me. i thought i would not have to see them ever again in life because they had life sentence plus 100 years. >> reporter: the story doesn't stop there. a week and a half after jenkins was released another convicted
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murderer charles walker was accidently set free from the same prison. how is it possible? forged documents sent to the prison ordered the releases and on both of them, the fake signature of orange county judge of belvin perry. he sees how it is possible no one would question it and is not entirely surprised. >> people, particularly people with criminal minds come up with ingenerous ways to beat the system. they have nothing but time on their hands to think of things. >> reporter: the florida department of law enforcement was only notified of the mistake a couple of days ago. corrections officials say they followed department policy and procedures. >> those inmates were released based on those court orders that we received. the orders were later determined
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to be -- >> reporter: it's something that has the pew family living in fear. >> to have to know that he's free on the streets is frightening. it's terrifying. >> john joins us now. it's kind of amazing the prison is saying we followed procedures correctly. you reported the florida department of law enforcement was only notified of the mistake a couple days ago. how did they figure out they were mistakenly released. >> they found out from a family of one of the victims. they called and said how come this guy is out. the attorney's office called the florida department of collections and fdle, florida department of law enforcement to notify them. we don't know how the family found out. anderson? >> wow, all right, john appreciate it. just ahead we'll check back with barry black that used his pulpit to scold lawmakers.
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. well, over the past two weeks on capitol hill one voice stood out not because it was the loudest but because it was the calm of reason. he opened each senate session as usual with a prayer and did not mince words. chaplain black's prayers reached
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far beyond the senate floor. saturday night live did a skid about him. we talked in the middle of the shutdown and talked again today. how do you feel now that thisiss finally over? people referred to you as the last sane man in the senate? >> i'm elated as so many americans that this inpass has been taken care of, this challenge has been met. >> what was the reaction you got from serving members of the house and the senate to some of your prayers? >> well, most of the feedback that i received was positive. obviously, there are probably some people who feel that my prayer should not have been as pointed as they were. >> did they -- did anybody express that? >> nobody expressed that to me but i do enough reading in the media to know there are those who felt that way. >> why do you feel it's
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important to be point snd. >> i think it's critical that a clergy person does not utter in prayer and enter session irrelevant platitudes. i mean, if you're in a burning house and you're going to pray for the folk who are in there, they extra kate themself you're not going to pray now i lay me down to sleep, i pray the lord my soul to keep. it's time to run for your life, not embrace slumber. my prayer simply reflects the reality of the environment that i'm in. >> do you think this nation has been made stronger by what happened, or has it weakened us? >> i am convinced that there are blessings in adversity and i think that you're strong in the broken places. if you look at the history of our nation, we've overcome far
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greater obstacles than what we've gone through here. i mean, we lost over 600,000 people in the civil war. we've gone through big challenges where police dogs were attacking people and that kind of thing. i think we're a resilient nation and that's one of the things about this experiment and democracy? >> what does that mean tore strong in broken places? >> i think sometimes the bone that is broke and mends is stronger than the rest of the bone, and so i think that very often, it's the same with an individual. david said in the 119 psalm versus 97 it was good for me to be inapplicanted. so i think many times, afflictions, hardships have a beneficial impact. someone once said god sometimes puts us on our backs to get us
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to look up. >> final question, silly question but i don't know of any person in your position who had a role on saturday night live. i don't know if you happened to see it this past weekend where somebody pretended to be you. it's a huge honor -- >> i understand that. i'm old school. i'm way back to the john balushy days but i have three sons and they sent me links. i'm embarrassed to say i was not even aware of kennon thompson. i would say he did a wonderful job. i'm grateful he didn't wear a clip on phony bow toe. i'm glad he didn't do that. he had the bow tie spot on. he needs to lower the pitch. not let us pray but let us pray and work on being just a little
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